Discuss Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

So at the moment there is no real buzz about this movie despite being Star Wars. Tons of crazy theories including time travel. Galaxy's Edge theme park is tanking. The toys are tanking because kids aren't interested in these awful new characters. Rumors that George gets a 25% kickback for original trilogy content which would explain why Disney has gone out of its way to ruin the old characters. I'm sure it'll still make money, just not as much as the first two.

So how much do you think this is going to suck? They're going to photoshop Leia in to it, Finn's probably still going to be a coward lusting after a woman who's more interested in an evil murderer, Poe will attempt to be witty and tell a joke in a tense situation, the Emperor is in there doing something, all of Lando's scenes will probably shot with him sitting down because even he can't be bothered to put in any effort for this, Hux will get a Force wedgie, they probably have to stop another planet killing weapon, there will be some kind of anti-Trump reference, Rey will turn out to be Space-Jesus.

What am I missing?

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@Gus Gorman said:

I don't understand your hostile attitude to me, all I've done is congratulate you on reining in your incel nonsense (you're welcome) and mention your public posting history which speaks for itself.

Says the antisemite. Oh I'm not going to prove how you're an antisemite I'm just going to call you one because apparently just saying someone is something negative is how it works these days. Stop hating Jews please.

@cswood said:

@VHS-VANDAL said:

YOU TYPED A LOT OF WORDS.YOU DID YOUR VERY BEST TO SOUND SMART AND NON F@#KED IN THE HEAD.THE FACT IS ANYONE WHO READS THAT DEAR DIARY CAN FEEL THE ITCH OF HATE IN YOU....FORCED FEMALE CHARACTERS?...REALLY?...TRY A FEW MORE BIG WORDS,MAYBE SOMEONE MIGHT ACTUALLY MISS THE SICK YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE.

See ladies and gentlemen, he has no argument just insults.

YES, forced female characters, these are typically characters that were male but now are forced to be female to signal how virtuous the movie is. There are some that aren't a big deal like Tilda Swinton in Doctor Strange but now they're talking about changing Alfred from Batman into a female, they're doing female Thor even though that comic run was so good it got cancelled, Ironheart isn't very popular either and now we've got this Batwoman show that's solely about the fact she's gay and she's better than all the men, because we all know how well it would go over if the gender and sexual orientation were reversed.

Instead of coming up with new original characters they would rather just take popular male characters and change them female, and then when they do create original female characters they are mary sues with no weakness, vulnerability or learning curve and stripping away their femininity to make them more masculine. And I can list a number of terrible male characters too so it's not just about female characters, but we can't criticize the female characters because muh sexism.

And the justification is always "but little girls get to see female heroes and that's all that matters!" completely ignoring how utterly terrible the characters are while ignoring good ones like Alita because that character wasn't feminist enough.

Thank you.

To answer the original question, I'm guessing it will suck majorly. I'm done with Star Wars. That last one (TLJ) was so ridiculous to me that it took away any interest in seeing future releases. I even passed on Solo and Rogue One.

THE FORCED NEGATIVITY OF YOU PEOPLE IS WHAT SHUTS DOWN SITES.

@VHS-VANDAL said:

THE FORCED NEGATIVITY OF YOU PEOPLE IS WHAT SHUTS DOWN SITES.

I agree, like calling people sexist/inscel/misogynist instead of arguing why the movie/show is actually good. Look, if someone has a really good argument as to why I'm wrong I'll listen. Even if I'm not convinced I'll at least give you credit for giving me your malice-free point of view, but just hurling insults tells me you don't have an argument.

But to your larger point, do you honestly expect fans to be silent as their favorite franchises are being destroyed for political reasons? If people didn't complain about Batman & Robing we might not have gotten the Nolan films.

Just look at Star Wars. Kids aren't buying the toys, no one is going to Galaxy's Edge, no one is hyped for the next movie, there are a thousand videos on how bad the last few movies are, yet you are called a sexist/racist/etc for not liking the new films even though they are objectively bad/mediocre. That franchise is dying, but instead of listening to fans and making changes they insult the fans and double down on their political messages.

If your movie or show only revolves around the race/gender/orientation of your character and doesn't have a good story then your product sucks and as a consumer it is my duty to relay that to these businesses.

@cswood said:

@VHS-VANDAL said:

THE FORCED NEGATIVITY OF YOU PEOPLE IS WHAT SHUTS DOWN SITES.

I agree, like calling people sexist/inscel/misogynist instead of arguing why the movie/show is actually good. Look, if someone has a really good argument as to why I'm wrong I'll listen. Even if I'm not convinced I'll at least give you credit for giving me your malice-free point of view, but just hurling insults tells me you don't have an argument.

But to your larger point, do you honestly expect fans to be silent as their favorite franchises are being destroyed for political reasons? If people didn't complain about Batman & Robing we might not have gotten the Nolan films.

Just look at Star Wars. Kids aren't buying the toys, no one is going to Galaxy's Edge, no one is hyped for the next movie, there are a thousand videos on how bad the last few movies are, yet you are called a sexist/racist/etc for not liking the new films even though they are objectively bad/mediocre. That franchise is dying, but instead of listening to fans and making changes they insult the fans and double down on their political messages.

If your movie or show only revolves around the race/gender/orientation of your character and doesn't have a good story then your product sucks and as a consumer it is my duty to relay that to these businesses.

I agree totally. This is why I tend to avoid most online forums these days. Instead of taking an impartial look at something for what it is, and discussing things in a rational way, some people will just parrot "sexism" as though it applies to everything.

I could strongly dislike a male actor or character in a film or tv show, and I guarantee nobody would say I'm a sexist or anti-male. So why are folks screaming for your head if you dislike a female character or movie/tv actress because their character or acting is flawed or terrible?

It seems like people who do this have no idea how to look at something objectively and without maintaining personal biases they have inside themselves. We can never have honest discussions when that happens, and you are not championing equality when that happens.

QUITE SIMPLY...NO ONE STARTS THREADS ABOUT MALE ACTORS THEY DISLIKE ONSCREEN AND OFF,YET STILL WATCHED AND ARE COMMENTING ON THE MOVIE.CAPTAIN MARVEL HAS HAD THE INTERNET FROTHING SINCE LONG BEFORE THE MOVIE EVEN EXISTED.I WOULDNT ARGUE WITH SOMEONE WHO JUST DOESNT LIKE THAT CHARACTER,BUT IT ALMOST NEVER IS JUST THE CHARACTER,IT DIGS IN DEEP THE HATE.I AGREE THE STAR WARS HAVENT BEEN GREAT,WITH TLJ BEING EXCEPTIONALLY NOT GREAT.I SIMPLY THINK IT IS BETTER TO BE OPEN MINDED AND HOPE FOR GOOD OVER BAD.INSTEAD OF ASKING HOW MUCH THE NEW ONE IS GONNA SUCK,SIGHT UNSEEN.WHY NOT HAVE POSITIVE THOUGHTS AND HOPES.

@VHS-VANDAL said:

QUITE SIMPLY...NO ONE STARTS THREADS ABOUT MALE ACTORS THEY DISLIKE ONSCREEN AND OFF,YET STILL WATCHED AND ARE COMMENTING ON THE MOVIE.CAPTAIN MARVEL HAS HAD THE INTERNET FROTHING SINCE LONG BEFORE THE MOVIE EVEN EXISTED.I WOULDNT ARGUE WITH SOMEONE WHO JUST DOESNT LIKE THAT CHARACTER,BUT IT ALMOST NEVER IS JUST THE CHARACTER,IT DIGS IN DEEP THE HATE.I AGREE THE STAR WARS HAVENT BEEN GREAT,WITH TLJ BEING EXCEPTIONALLY NOT GREAT.I SIMPLY THINK IT IS BETTER TO BE OPEN MINDED AND HOPE FOR GOOD OVER BAD.INSTEAD OF ASKING HOW MUCH THE NEW ONE IS GONNA SUCK,SIGHT UNSEEN.WHY NOT HAVE POSITIVE THOUGHTS AND HOPES.

Because for one name anything that JJ has been able to have a proper ending in anything at all. This is a director who notoriously has never been able to land an ending

@VHS-VANDAL said:

QUITE SIMPLY...NO ONE STARTS THREADS ABOUT MALE ACTORS THEY DISLIKE ONSCREEN AND OFF

That's a lie. There are plenty of actors that are openly hated. Didn't Chris Pratt recently get bashed for wearing a shirt with a flag on it? There's Adam Sandler, Hayden Christensen, Charlie Sheen, Shia LaBeouf, Zac Efron, Jaden Smith, Mel Gibson, all actors who get tons of hate for various reasons.

When it comes to Brie Larson, what you are saying is we can't dislike her because she's a female. That's not how equality works. And it's not like people would love her if she were a man and said the same things she said because her gender is a non-factor as to why people hate her. Having two X chromosomes does not exempt you from being criticized for making actual sexist racist comments.

CAPTAIN MARVEL HAS HAD THE INTERNET FROTHING SINCE LONG BEFORE THE MOVIE EVEN EXISTED.I WOULDNT ARGUE WITH SOMEONE WHO JUST DOESNT LIKE THAT CHARACTER,BUT IT ALMOST NEVER IS JUST THE CHARACTER,IT DIGS IN DEEP THE HATE.

Because of Queen Brie's comments. Swap Brie Larson out for almost any actress who wasn't a raging man hating feminist and the hate for that movie wouldn't exist. I do not recall anyone hating on the Wonder Woman movie or Gal Gadot. At least not men. There were feminists complaining she was too attractive and didn't have hair under her arms though.

But actress aside, Captain Marvel the character was never very good or popular. The best thing about that character was when Rogue stole her powers and put her in a coma. I would gladly trade Captain Marvel for Rogue from the 90s X-Men cartoon.

INSTEAD OF ASKING HOW MUCH THE NEW ONE IS GONNA SUCK,SIGHT UNSEEN.WHY NOT HAVE POSITIVE THOUGHTS AND HOPES.

Seriously? Try that line with people that hate Donald Trump, tell them to just think positively and stop posting hate and see how that goes.

Look, I just want things to change. I don't like the way politics are infecting media and I'm not alone. I want good stories and characters that aren't approved of by a woke committee that detracts points if all the men aren't seen as villains/morons and all the women aren't seen as perfect and infallible because, and I can not stress this enough, that's not how equality works.

Audience reaction is part of the fun now.

Since the trailer came out, MauLer has done a reaction to it, and his reaction is solid gold.

@Ellison Havelock said:

Since the trailer came out, MauLer has done a reaction to it, and his reaction is solid gold.

Oh yes, I am more excited for the Mauler review of ROS than I am for the actual movie.

@cswood said:

@Ellison Havelock said:

Since the trailer came out, MauLer has done a reaction to it, and his reaction is solid gold.

Oh yes, I am more excited for the Mauler review of ROS than I am for the actual movie.

MauLer's content is objectively better than Disney's Lucasfilm's Star Wars. Ironic.

The suckage will be a negative vacuous pressure on a galactic scale. In fact I'm pretty sure that's going to be the main antagonist for the movie - a large, galaxy devouring , negative vacuous entity. Rey, of course, will attempt to destroy it single handedly which will only make the entity laugh in derisible contempt while delivering its devastating line "You miserable creature, where do you think I gain all my power of suckage from if not you?"

@revengine said:

The suckage will be a negative vacuous pressure on a galactic scale. In fact I'm pretty sure that's going to be the main antagonist for the movie - a large, galaxy devouring , negative vacuous entity. Rey, of course, will attempt to destroy it single handedly which will only make the entity laugh in derisible contempt while delivering its devastating line "You miserable creature, where do you think I gain all my power of suckage from if not you?"

With phraseology like that, maybe you ought to be writing these movies, instead of Round-Head Johnson or Jar Jar Abrams.

The fact that they were untill fairly recently doing re-shoots ; that there are six different endings they are playing with and the fact that they had to call in Lucas doesn't seem to be reason to be hopefull.Apart from that bringing back Palpatine so that he can probably have a light saber duel with Rey for the movie's finale doesn't sound like something I would go and see since it would be a rehash of ROTJ.

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